Sometimes the visual artist Nuno Ramos asks me to join him to discuss his projects that are not completely developed yet. So I sit down with him and try to put into paper the ideas he has for his pieces, not in a precise measurable way but more like a visualization of the concept. These drawings later were used to present the idea to the curators of the Ensaio sobre a Dádiva exhibition that took place on Iberê Camargo Foundation, 2014. Pictures and an article can be seen here.